The true value of a Digg link

Wednesday, March 19th, 2008 by admin

With all the chatter of Google punishing PageRank for Digg stories, I thought it's worth looking at the true value of links acquired from Digg or any social news site that uses dofollow.

To do this, let's consider the three types of links that Digg can help you get:

1. Primary links – direct links from Digg readers to your site.
2. Secondary links – indirect links from Digg readers who link via Digg.
3. Dud Links – links that result in neither primary and/or secondary links.
These are links that are solely from Digg and receive a negligible amount of PageRank.

The aim is to scoop up as many primaries and also secondaries as you can, with primary ones being the most desirable.

Typically you have little control as to the proportion of primary or secondary links that you get. If there is a good bit of banter within the Digg comments, there is a fair chance you will get a bigger dosage of secondary links.

So how do you know if you are getting primary, secondary or dud links I hear you ask?

Well that's where Yahoo Site Explorer comes in handy:

To illustrate this, let's look at the recent Digg/PageRank debate over at Sphinn. We are using Sphinn (digg clone) as the ‘Digg’ example.
http://sphinn.com/story/35232 – Sphinn page.
http://startupearth.com/2008/03/07/google-to-punish-pagerank-for-digg-stories/ – Orginal post.

Now go over to Yahoo Site Explorer and enter the above urls, making sure you click on the Inlinks link and show Inlinks "Except this domain".

Primary links

primary links

Secondary links

secondary links

You will see that the primary links account for 13 links and the secondary links for for 8. There is one more step and that is to remove the secondary links from the above primary count. That sounds more confusing than it is, although it just means subtracting Sphinn links from from the primary ones.

Depending on how many primary links there are you may want to do this manually or export the TSV list provided by Yahoo. For this example, there are currently three Sphinn links, leaving 10 primary links as of writing. As I am linking to both, I suspect these numbers will change fairly soon.

Patrick Altoft gave me the idea of for this post in a post of his own and I agree and disagree with his last comment.

Remember that the aim of Digg isn't to get links from Digg, it's to get links from Digg readers websites.

I think Patrick’s wording is not quite right and using my analogy above I would say that the aim is to get both primary and secondary links via Digg.

I maybe wrong, but I suspect Google's algo already covers the whole Digg/PageRank spectacle. After all it’s only PageRank that we are talking about.

And this leads to the question, why would Google team up with an external party to sort out its own PageRank issues? It just doesn’t add up to me.

19 March 2008, the day Google’s homepage broke!

Wednesday, March 19th, 2008 by admin

Broken Googlw

Well maybe not entirely broken, but with only one image to get right you’d think they could manage that! Anyone else seeing this at the moment?

Here are the stats of the missing image:

Location: /www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/logo.gif
Width: 276px
Height: 110px
Size of File: 0 kB (0 bytes)
Alternate text: Google

Has Google put a slash at the start of the location path that shouldn’t be there?

Google Website Reconsider Request, it only takes 3 days!

Friday, March 14th, 2008 by admin

Well that's my recent experience of a big site that is well known worldwide. It may be just as speedy for smaller sights too and I've got to take my hat off to Google for being so quick off the mark. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe reconsider requests were running low for March in Google, either way I think you need a genuine reason and here is how Google dealt with mine and a bit of a background overview:

  • Big authority site gets redirected (301) from established keyword rich domain to newly bought exact match brand domain (three weeks ago).
  • Organic traffic pretty consistent for a week whilst old site is still fairly well indexed. Organic traffic & rankings nose-dive at the start of the second week. Site can't rank in the top 50 in Google for its own brand with an exact match brand domain name and an established 301 redirected domain with the exact content that has heaps and heaps of backlinks pointing to it.
  • Wait two further weeks with no further developments. Then put in a Google reconsider request explaining that the new domain has only recently been purchased and that the previous domain history/owner is unknown and due to extremely poor rankings over previous couple of weeks it is suspected that the site might have a penalty associated to it or maybe a duplicate content filter as the new domain had been significantly indexed before the 301 redirect was put in place {not my fault :) }.
  • And as if by magic, 3 days later the site is ranking for its brand and many of the previous highly competitive keyphrases and pretty much back to where it was before the site migration.
  • I would have taken a month of organic downtime traffic at the start, but I was suspicious of the inability to rank for sites own brand name and after a courtesy of three weeks and reading Matt's reconsider request I thought it was time I should do something about it.

    As Matt Cutts points out, it is no longer called a reinclusion request:

    not every spam penalty results in removal from Google's index, so "reconsideration" is more accurate than "reinclusion”.

    Needless to say I was very pleased and could wipe the sweat of my brow one last time when someone asked me why the site no longer ranked for its own brand name.

    Coincidently, it appears that you can now get penalty notifications from Google Webmaster Central for future domain owners which may shine more light in these types of circumstances.

    The reconsider request is there to help out when sites really do need it most and I hope it is used with the consideration it deserves as I'd hate for it to be removed due to “every man and his dog” whacking in a silly nilly request. If such a request is used inappropriately, this is probably a pretty good way to piss Google off. So here's a big cry out to 'all men with dogs', this is not the golden ticket for eternal Google love and you may do more bad than good!

    {Sorry I have neglected the blog for so long, I will try to be much better in the future:) }